ryan. >> you do. one lesson we have learned from the recent election is that you can't win on the national level if you are an established republican candidate, that involves romney and also going back to the mccain campaign. what we need are individuals with a strong message of conservative values that are able to communicate that message so the people can understand that it's individuals and want government, free market is the way it succeed in this country. we need really core have the who is can deliver that message. i think rubio can carry florida and relate to hispanics. i think he has a strong conservative base for himself. >> well, if you look at sort of folk who is were not on the national ticket this time, not marco rubio at this point, think about the other people that you see, john, up and coming. it seems to me that the debate about where the party's going is largely going to be settled by the folks like those we have now in the house and senate, as well as some of the terrific governors.